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Originally posted by

67AC140

Mr. Burton,

Before writing an article like this you should really do some research and get your facts straight.

First, no one at GM gets paid $79 an hour to sweep floors. It's true that unions got ridiculously high wages for autoworkers, which put them at an unfair disadvantage to foreign automakers, but that was before the companies went bankrupt and lowered their wage scale. I doubt that anyone ever was paid the wages you claim.

Actually, with wages and the hourly value of benefits paid to Union members at GM, Burton's figures are low. Add $10/hr. to that sum.

And yes Burton is an ignorant, narrow minded Conservative. I bet he has Newt Gingrich's number on speed-dial. He probably has even seen Sarah Palin's panties. We should all be so lucky.

What does it say about your class and refinement that you spend your time bashing people who write for a school newspaper? Ever read anything else I've written? Probably not. Go find yourself a better hobby.

Originally posted by

67AC140

Mr. Burton,

Before writing an article like this you should really do some research and get your facts straight.

First, no one at GM gets paid $79 an hour to sweep floors. It's true that unions got ridiculously high wages for autoworkers, which put them at an unfair disadvantage to foreign automakers, but that was before the companies went bankrupt and lowered their wage scale. I doubt that anyone ever was paid the wages you claim.

Secondly, there is no truth to your assertion that Ralph Nader forced Chevrolet to stop making the Corvair. In fact, GM was going to discontinue the Corvair after the 1966 or 1967 model year, because of competition from the Ford Mustang. It is a well-known fact in automotive circles, that GM actually extended the life of the Corvair through the 1969 model year, so that it didn't look like they had been influenced by Nader's claims. The fact of the matter is that the Corvair was an expensive car to produce and was discontinued because it was not the kind of car the American public wanted, the Mustang was, thus Chevrolet introduced the Camaro. As for the validity of Nader's assertions about the Corvair, it is the only car proven safe in a court of law. It was found to be safe and that Nader's claims were false.

Finally, you should learn to express yourself using language that is more generally acceptable than to use slang words that border on obscene and only show your lack of education, refinement, and class.

Originally posted by

67AC140

Mr. Burton,

Before writing an article like this you should really do some research and get your facts straight.

First, no one at GM gets paid $79 an hour to sweep floors. It's true that unions got ridiculously high wages for autoworkers, which put them at an unfair disadvantage to foreign automakers, but that was before the companies went bankrupt and lowered their wage scale. I doubt that anyone ever was paid the wages you claim.

Secondly, there is no truth to your assertion that Ralph Nader forced Chevrolet to stop making the Corvair. In fact, GM was going to discontinue the Corvair after the 1966 or 1967 model year, because of competition from the Ford Mustang. It is a well-known fact in automotive circles, that GM actually extended the life of the Corvair through the 1969 model year, so that it didn't look like they had been influenced by Nader's claims. The fact of the matter is that the Corvair was an expensive car to produce and was discontinued because it was not the kind of car the American public wanted, the Mustang was, thus Chevrolet introduced the Camaro. As for the validity of Nader's assertions about the Corvair, it is the only car proven safe in a court of law. It was found to be safe and that Nader's claims were false.

Finally, you should learn to express yourself using language that is more generally acceptable than to use slang words that border on obscene and only show your lack of education, refinement, and class.

Certainly, research is essential to accurate reporting and ethical journalism though it does not preclude the expression of an uninformed opinion nor an editorial slant in any media.

I can't recall any union worker in recent history with such a vague job description as "Floor Sweeper", which implies a relatively lower level of skill expected in modern industry, being paid at such a high rate as Mr. Burton suggests. This includes my direct and indirect involvement with the UAW, USW, Pattern Makers League of North America, and the UBC. The idea of such an exorbitant wage might include benefits, such as insurance, investment incentives or vacation pay, but Mr. Burton doesn't seem to differentiate the finer points.

Brief review of automotive engineering and marketing history yields a glimpse of significant advances, as well as some spectacular blunders, on the part of almost any major automobile manufacturer extant. Not even Mr. Nader himself would claim to have "forced" a decision at General Motors to discontinue the production of the Corvair. This was more shifting focus to consumer safety and governmental regulation, which he accomplished in a number of venues, by Mr. Nader's well known "Unsafe Any Any Speed" (ca. 1964). Mr. Nader is hardly David slaying Goliath in spite of his notable achievements.

The difficulty faced by Toyota or any other viable competitor in the industry is as much "saving face" and showing ethical responsibility rather than simply placating the public. I dare say there are many "americanized" as put forth, but this does spell doom.

We are a greater, more thriving global economy than Mr. Burton considers. Perhaps, industry is becoming less nationally chauvinistic...

...And, a bit more respect should be shown in editorial opinion rather than the current "flaming" vernacular.

Walker B. Smith

Originally posted by

Thor

You watch C-SPAN...what a loser

You calling someone a loser for trying to be educated and writing in an education publication...now that is a loser